SUBVERSIVE MOBILIZATION: Starting Spiritual Conversations

I need your help! From time to time I’m in a situation where I’m talking to a Muslim I’ve just met. The conversation will likely only be able to last a few minutes with no promise at the outset of a future connection. As we start to chat, I’d like to know if they have any spiritual interest. If they care about the things of God. If they might like to talk about Jesus or hear a story he told. Sometimes it’s hard for me to move from, “How many kids do you have?” to “Hey, let’s talk about real stuff for a minute.”

On the slight chance I’m not the only one, could you do me a favor? Share, below, your best tips on how to do this. Or to post a link to the article I probably should have found on my own. Or maybe, if you’re feeling tremendously empathetic this Christmas season, just say, “No way, me too! I hope a lot of people are nice enough to tell us how to do this.”

Thanks!

12 thoughts on “SUBVERSIVE MOBILIZATION: Starting Spiritual Conversations”

  1. Two thoughts, both of which come from seasoned workers in Muslim areas:
    1. “My goal is a second conversation, so I don’t sabotage the first.”
    2. “I ask, ‘What part do dreams play in your life?'”

    1. Bingo. Beat me to it! 🙂

      I have a young Muslim friend who I asked about dreams recently. It got a good discussion going.

    2. I’m just as stumped as you are. I think we’re so used to Americans being so private about our religions that we’re intimidated. When I’m taking care of people in the hospital, I ask them if I can pray with them, and have only been told “no” once. Lister to the Truth about Muslims podcast. This might help you.

  2. One of my OM co-workers has developed a great question that can steer a conversation toward spiritual things. He has used this in many places around the world with Westerners, Muslims, and even Hindus. I have likewise used it in many different settings to guide a conversation to spiritual matters. The question is “If you could have one wish from God for you today, what would that be?” After answering, comes a follow up question: “May I pray a short prayer asking God to grant your wish?” Most people say, “Yes.” Follow with a short, non-Christianese prayer in Jesus name. This question and prayer often generates more conversation. For more info on “The One Wish Question” see
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-AEGSt25tU

  3. Asking about the kids and sharing about your family IS “the real stuff.” Jesus builds the gospel into us and our relationships. Americans (me too) want to deliver the message verbally and get the right verbal responses. Many (most?) non-Western cultures want relationship first before anything else. TAKES TIME; must MAKE TIME. This is inefficient and self-giving, but it’s the way of love. I have a Smali friend who is trying to convince his co-ministers that the Smalis they want to reach expect genuine relationship, but his Western colleagues insist he is wrong and they have a better (more efficient) way. (Hmmm — how do collectivist hear and learn?)

    Not saying there aren’t good questions, but many of the best questions are about life, understanding, co-struggle in the world, failures and happinesses — and they lead to tea, sharing life, goods, family, and extend to other relationships — verily, to Jesus, who privileges us then to watch Him work in those He compels us to love. Honestly — I really do like the family questions, often share my family photos. Hope this encourages.

  4. When I lived in the Middle East, others would often steer the conversation towards politics in the first conversation. They’d inevitably ask my opinion on my own government’s leaders, past and present. I always responded that I had decided if I was going to follow a man, I was going to follow the only perfect, sinless man who ever lived.
    It’s a little more responsive, but it came up a LOT more than you’d think and led to some great conversations.

  5. A couple of years ago Stan Nussbaum of GMI shared with me what he called then, “The history of the world, past, present, and future in two minutes.”
    A variation of it called “The Rescuer: A Three-minute Story for World Peace,” can be found at http://www.gmi.org/services/research/stans-lab/new/rescuer/ One can memorized their own two/three minute outline of the gospel to be ready to share when those brief opportunities occur.

    My brief “capture the opportunity” plan runs sort of like this,
    1. Make s comment about the sad state of “whatever the current bad is news is going around”
    2. Make a bridge to hope. “Even though _________, I am glad one can know personal peace in the middle of such times.
    3. Ask if I can share a three minute perspective on how I __________
    If they say okay, then I can use a similar simple plan..

  6. This exchange, described in the newsletter of a worker friend, shows an approach by way of world problems:

    “What problem underlies all the other problems we see all around the world recently?” I asked [name] after our conversation had drifted to the recent Paris terror attacks. He said, “Everyone doesn’t follow God’s holy path,” which we agreed with. “How can people return to following the right path?” we asked. His response was telling: “everyone knows the right path. If they return to it, then God will come and help them.”

  7. I sometimes ask: If Allah could do a miracle for you, what would it be? then I pray for them in Isa’s (Jesus’) name. If I do see them again then they know I am a praying person and quite often God answered the prayer. This leads to deeper conversations next time. I try to give them my # so they can contact me if they want. Or I ask “so how has God been speaking to you these days? Or, “would you be interested in doing a Holy Book study? I’m trying to find those interested in the stright way and Kingdom of Allah.

  8. Below are a number of different ideas I used from an article entitled “CONVERSATION TURNERS” published in Seedbed 1991:2.

    Many workers among Muslims have a great burden to share their faith with those among whan they have come to live, yet find that the course of their conversations does not often naturally lead to religious discussions. Prompted by their concern for these peoples’ spiritual condition, they may desire to “steer” the conversation to religious topics, yet be at a loss as to how to do so.
    On other occasions in daily life, such as riding in a taxi or dealing with a peddler, one would like to sow a seed or give a witness for Christ, but there is only a limited time of interaction in which to do so. Having at your disposal a few “conversation turners” can often allow you to use the encounter to share spiritual truth by opening the door for a religious conversation.
    Some may feel that reliance on such an approach is contrived, canned, and counter to the leading of the Holy Spirit. This of course is possible, as may also be the case with Bible reading, prayer and many other matters in our spiritual life. But the possible danger does not invalidate its legitimacy. On the contrary, it is the Holy Spirit who is the impetus to bold and creative witness.
    In the book of Acts, the primary purpose of the anointing of the Spirit was to enable Christians, to witness for Christ with boldness; when we are filled with the Spirit we feel a great burden to share Christ, even when there are no natural opportunities”. It is His presence within us that inspires us to guide, steer, lead or turn our conversations to discussions of a spiritual nature.
    To “manipulate” the direction of a talk to a spiritual plane is not an act of dubious nature. It is rather an evidence of love for one’s fellow man and concern for his eternal and earthly well-being.
    Note how the Master Teacher very deliberately directed a conversation about water with a Samaritan women to a discussion of living water (John 4). The blessing of God on this device is evident from the result — the salvation of an entire village!
    The ideas presented below can be viewed as tools for your evangelistic tool box. As a carpenter adds to his collection of tools he is then better able to find one that is appropriate to the job he wants to do. With experience he is able even to fashion his own custom-made tools to get the job done. God has used many of the following conversation turners to open up hundreds of opportunities for me to discuss spiritual matters, or present a witness for Christ and allow a Muslim to accept a gospel portion. If God has gifted you as an evangelist, you may have little need for what follows.
    But to those whose evangelistic opportunities are more limited, I would encourage you to consider adopting or adapting some of the ideas which follow, at least until you develop more suitable ones of your own. On one occasion, Dwight L. Moody was approached by a man who criticized his method of evangelism. Moody replied, “I don’t like it either — what’s your method?” When his critic stated
    that he did not have one, Moody retorted, “I like mine better.”

    —Heaven Street: I was first introduced to the use of conversation turners by someone who had ridden
    in a taxi with Dr. Lionel Guerney, and later related to me this veteran evangelist’s conversation with the driver. Having asked him how many years he had been driving a taxi, Dr. Guerney followed with the statement, “with so much experience, you must know nearly every street in the city.” The driver’s ego was soon deflated a bit when Dr. Guerney asked him if he could take him to “Shaar’a al-Jenna” (Heaven Street). When the puzzled driver confessed that he did not know where it was, Dr. Guerney told him that he was referring to the “street” or path that leads to eternal paradise.
    Such an approach typically leads to a discussion on how to get to heaven — the Five Pillars, good works and the way of salvation. Here are some other ideas you could try.

    —Residence [for those who are foreigners in the country]: When asked if you are residing in your host country, you could reply: “No I’m a traveler — we’re all travelers on the earth, aren’t we? We live here 70 to 80 years and then arrive at our final destination — our eternal dwelling place.”

    —Nationality: When asked what your nationality is, say, “I’m from [your country’s name] originally, but I now have another nationality that’s even better than that. … I am a citizen of the Kingdom of God. I do not say this from arrogance or self-righteousness; God bestowed this citizenship upon me as a gift!”

    —Desire to Emigrate: You can tantalize someone who wants to emigrate with news of a fantastically beautiful country, everything one could want, justice, peace, etc. and it costs no money. The king has opened the doors to all who want to come — only there are some conditions. After breaking the
    suspense by revealing that it is the Kingdom of Allah, read the conditions as found in the beatitudes, the sermon on the Mount, or in Matthew 18:1-9. One must become as a dependent child, submit to the reign of the King (Christ), etc.

    —Occupation/work: “My occupation is teaching [business, etc.] but my work is to do the will of Allah whom I serve.”

    —Hot weather: “It’s hot here, but do you know the hottest place in the world? He will guess several places to which you each time reply in the negative. When he finally gives up you answer: “Hell” (whose fire is said to be 10 times hotter than fire on earth). You can follow up by advising that if one does not like such heat, one had better find the way to heaven, or you might give testimony to your assurance of salvation.

    —Crowdedness: “This is a very crowded street! But do you know the most crowded street in the world?”
    Answer: the road to Hell! Read Matt. 7:13,14. “Many (billions of people) are choosing the road to destruction, while only a few are on the road to life.” This passage could also be used in political discussions to show how not even democracy is a guaranteed solution for good government; often the
    majority are wrong and choose the path that leads to destruction.

    —Need a flat in order to marry: Affirm that while it is necessary to have a place where one can go to at the end of the day, and we spend many years and much effort to obtain it, there is a flat more important than this—it’s the one you will go to at the end of your life to spend eternity in.
    “Do you know for sure if you have such a flat in al-Jenna? Al Hamdu lillah, I do.” Then read John 14:2,3.

    —Life is hard! To one who complains about having to work two jobs or long hours to feed his family, etc., you can respond by asserting that we can’t easily change our circumstances or quickly improve our economic prospects; the important thing then is to find a way to experience “rest” in the midst of difficult circumstances. “Al Hamdu lillah, I have found this rest.” Here refer to Jesus’ promise
    (Matt. 11:28-30) “come to me all you who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest. …”
    One can also suggest that the reason people are weary is because they are living on a materialistic level; the inner person is not strengthened by material things. Read Matt 4:4 or Luke 4:4 “Man does not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds from God”. People need spiritual food
    to strengthen their souls, the nourishment that comes from every Word from God. Emphasize that though Christ is the giver of the Injil (the gospel), He could not do without the Tawrah. On the contrary, he memorized it and quoted from it to overcome the devil’s temptations. How much more
    do we need to know all of God’s Word—not just part of it.
    Illustrate this by referring to the virtues of beans (or the staple dish or bread of the country).
    As good as they are, if one were to eat nothing else one’s health would suffer, because some nutrients one needs are missing in it. God has given us many kinds of food and we need more than just one kind. Likewise, he who reads only one Book (in his mind the Qur’an) is like him who eats only beans. Then try offering him a copy of a gospel.

    –The Fast of Ramadan: Ask your friend if he or she are fasting, and if so why; what is the purpose of fasting? Empathy for the poor may be a side-benefit, but if that is its primary purpose, then the poor need not fast; they feel hunger pains every day already! Suggest that the primary purpose of fasting is to free us from worldly affairs and allow us to pray in the best possible state, and to teach us to obey every word of God. Jesus’ statement in Matt 4:4/Luke 4:4 is made in the context of his 40-day fast. In it he teaches us that obedience to God is life’s most important issue; fasting
    simply reinforces this truth. When we feel hunger pains we are reminded that our real need is not for bread (which represents material things as well as food), but for spiritual food—every word from God—so that we can live by it. Here again, as discussed in the previous section, you can refer
    to Christ’s example of memorizing the Tawrah to emphasize the importance of not neglecting any of Gods Books.

    —Children: When talking about your children or theirs, or how many they or you have, you might exclaim, “al-mal wal-banoon zeenit al-Hayaat id-dunya” (possessions and children are the adornment of the life of this world—a quotation from Sura 18 [the Cave]: verse 28). From there you can go in couple of directions:
    a. The Zabur says that children are a gift from God (Psalm 127:2), that is, we have children by God’s grace, not because of our merit. (A good man may not be blessed with children, while a wicked man might have many). State that you are of the opinion that the best things in life are those which come as gifts of God’s grace— children, a good wife, and the best gift of all which is forgiveness.
    b. Although children are a lot of work and a heavy responsibility, it is God’s desire that we benefit from them, by learning from them important spiritual truths, e.g.
    – Matt 18:1-9. We must become as little children to enter the kingdom of God (We are also severe warned against causing Jesus’ “little ones” to stumble).
    – Matt 7:7-12 If we are evil, and yet give good gifts to our kids, how much more will God give what is good (the Holy Spirit—Luke 11:9-13) to those who ask Him.

    —Is Arabic difficult? “No, it’s not difficult…, it is mustaHeel” (impossible)! Ha-ha! “Actually, there is a language which is much more difficult than Arabic, but the amazing thing about this language is that once you have learned it, you can communicate with anyone in the world with it—even
    if they never learned this language. Do you know which language I am referring to? It’s the language of LOVE. The reason it’s so difficult to learn is that there are no teachers, schools or institutes that teach it. Everyone wants to be loved, but who is willing to be first in sacrificing himself to give love. The only One who can teach the language of Love is God. We must experience God’s love in such abundance that we can give it to others from the overflow of His love to us.” One can then go on to discuss such things as how to have this kind of relationship with God, what it is that keeps us from experiencing His love, how God demonstrated this kind of love in Christ.

    —Are you a Muslim? One can often elicit this question by a generous use of such “Muslim” expressions as “al-Hamdu-lillaah” [Praise God], “in shaa’ allah” [If God wills], and “Salaamu ‘alaykum” [Greetings!], and the like. To such a question one might reply, “Yes, I am Muslim, but not the way
    you understand the term. I am Muslim according to the real meaning of the word, that is, one who surrenders his entire life to God. I am Muslim like Sayyidna Ibrahim, ‘aleeh is-salaam [Abraham, peace be upon him], who was willing to sacrifice his son to God. Because he was completely surrendered to Allah, he is called Muslim. However, I am not Muslim, if you mean by that one who “prays the required prayers and then goes out and steals” [yisalli il-farD wa yunqub il-arD —an Arabic proverb].
    Do you know that according to the Qur’an the disciples of Christ [al-Hawariyuun] are ‘Muslim’?” [Sura 3 Imran vs.52: ‘The disciples of Christ said, ‘We are God’s helpers; we have believed in God and testify that we are Muslims.”‘ Note that translations of the Qur’an may not indicate that the Arabic word is “Muslims.”]
    Here you could state that you believe in one God and are surrendered to Him as the disciples were. Therefore, you are a Muslim according to the real meaning of the word, but not because “Muslim” is written in your identity card!

    —Fear: Deliverance from fear is a felt need, especially among women. “I used to be afraid of everything, especially death, but Christ [Sayyidna al-masih] came to free those enslaved to the devil by their fears. He gives me peace when I am afraid.”

    —Christmas Tree: When visitors to your home are seated near your Christmas tree, you might ask if they know why you have a tree. You could answer that the evergreen is a symbol of everlasting life which Christ can to give us. Or that the tree symbolizes the fact that Christ was born to take the
    curse of death for us by being hanged on a tree (Galatians 2:22ff).

    —Easter [‘eed al-qiyama – “Feast of Resurrection”]: “Do you know the story about why we celebrate Resurrection Day?” (Most think it is about Christ’s Ascension to heaven, not His resurrection from the dead.)
    It is hoped that the readers will experiment with some of the above “conversation turners,” and come up with adaptations which are suitable to their own personalities and their situations as I did. By using others’ “training wheels,” I was able to ride the “Conversation Turner Bike” and eventually get the hang of it so that I could eventually do it myself, adapting, innovating and developing my own Conversation Turners with the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

  9. Hey Friends, Thanks for the great and helpful comments. I’ll definitely be putting some of these into action. (And maybe an upcoming Practical Mob column!) Bless you for your help.

    Shane

  10. I don’t have much experience actually doing this, but am interested in learning, becoming better as well. What I’ve been wanting to learn, inspired that it’s possible to do, and trying to put into practice is asking and listening to the Holy Spirit while in conversation, and at all times, which might lead to starting conversation. I’ve heard from others that He gives some pretty amazing and sometimes unconventional ways of bringing glory to God. I also think that asking someone if you can pray for them, and then what’s something big they’d like God to do for them or someone they love is a great way to open someone’s heart to seeing God work a miracle. I’ve rarely done this with people I only expect 1 convo with, but I think it’s a great idea. I have posed the question to a number of more long-term Muslim friends/acquaintances and I’ve never had anyone refuse and in most cases they’ve been very appreciative. One friend later grabbed my hand while we were in a coffee shop and begged me to pray for him and his wife right then and there. That drew attention to my lack of boldness.

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